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Slingbox PRO-HD Hands-On Review (Page 4 of 4)


Performance

Time to talk about what really counts... performance. All the good looks and features in the world don't matter if the streaming quality doesn't hold up. And there's no worries here, the PRO-HD looks good... damn good.

There is a reason for this more dramatic change. While Sling Media has improved the video streaming quality of previous Slingboxes over time, the fundamental base of the SlingStream experience hasn't changed all that much. Since the original Slingbox, Sling Media has relied on Microsoft's Windows Media Video format to encode the SlingPlayer stream.

With Slingbox PRO-HD diving into the HD streaming realm, it seemed like the right time to move to H.264 format as the streaming video format. The H.264 format (also known as MPEG-4 AVC) offers higher quality video at lower bitrates than WMV. For compatibility reasons, the Slingbox PRO-HD will still stream WMV to existing SlingPlayer Mobile clients.

Video Quality

Slingbox PRO-HD is capable of streaming at a variety of resolutions, from 320x240 all the way up to 1080i. As with any Slingbox, the resolution and video quality you actually see is determined by the amount of available bandwidth between you and the Slingbox. You'll easily be able to stream at the highest resolutions possible when on your home network.

For those of you new to the high definition game, the Slingbox won't auto-magically transform everything from your cable box into crystal-clear high definition video. Many of your channels are still broadcast in standard definition, and they'll look like just that: SD. For those programs you receive in high definition, you'll be blown away by how good it looks through your Slingbox.

The best of Slingbox PRO vs. the best of PRO-HD


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Watching your Slingbox full screen is now highly recommended.

Remote Performance

Any Slingbox owner will tell you, remote performance can be hit or miss. According to Sling Media, the Slingbox PRO-HD requires 1.5 Mbps of upload bandwidth to stream HD video remotely. If you don't have a pipe that big, you'll be treated to lower resolution video. Older Slingboxes can adequately stream good quality video (I know, it's subjective) with as little as 256kbps to work with, and that seems about on par for the Slingbox PRO-HD. Anything less and you can expect even lower quality results.

The Verdict

I've been lucky enough to get a fair amount of hands-on time with the Slingbox PRO-HD, and the experience hasn't been perfect. There are a few glitches that need to be ironed out. As a long-time Sling user, I know there will be a few "software updates" in the near term to knock them out.

The honest truth is Slingbox PRO-HD will have its fair share of naysayers. In many ways, it's ahead of its time. Everyone's been clamoring for HD support, but the stone cold fact is that the typical home doesn't have the upload speed to bring that HD glory out of your network, and even if you do, your average busy hotspot won't always have the bandwidth to give you on the other end.

In-network performance is nothing short of breathtaking, and when paired up with Sling Media's upcoming SlingCatcher product to watch your DVR on your TV upstairs, it'll be nothing short of awesome.

The current Slingbox owner, particularly those who find themselves using it inside the house more than out, will find a lot of reasons to upgrade. If your focus is always using it on the go, you may want to upgrade your Internet connection along with it.

All said, I've followed the place-shifting revolution since day one, and the PRO-HD offers the best visual experience of any place-shifter to date. Period.

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September 24, 2008 11:09 PM

Nice review, Matt. Can't wait to get my hands on one.

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September 24, 2008 11:12 PM updated: September 25, 2008 12:18 AM

Thanks man, I had a little glitch here come prime time, which has left the article without any pictures! I'm working now to get them all put back in.

Darn computers...

UPDATE: The in-article photos and the gallery have been restored. Enjoy everyone!

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September 25, 2008 5:37 AM

I can get somewhere between 1500 - 1800 kbps download speed with my current slingbox setup (Slingbox AV). I only get SD channels, so will it make sense to upgrade to the PRO HD? I was hoping, that even if you only sling SD content, the use of h.264 would give a better quality?

September 25, 2008 6:46 AM

Yeah, please give some more info on the quality for remote slinging. At say 780kbps upload, does the new box give a better picture? I have one on order, since I am hoping on better quality remotely. You can see professional streaming providers offering much better picture quality the the SB classic. I was hoping to get some of that encoding horsepower with the PRO HD.

September 25, 2008 11:07 AM

Funslinger said: Yeah, please give some more info on the quality for remote slinging. At say 780kbps upload, does the new box give a better picture? I have one on order, since I am hoping on better quality remotely. You can see professional streaming providers offering much better picture quality the the SB classic. I was hoping to get some of that encoding horsepower with the PRO HD.

I've made it a habit not to get too specific when it comes to remote streaming quality. As I mention in the article, there are so many factors and variables that it's almost impossible to give any real expectation for performance.

That being said, I also haven't had a ton of opportunity to test remotely from 1.) varying locations  and 2.) the latest firmware. I'll report my experiences as I further narrow it down, but here are my personal observations (so far) for those who are interested...

At speeds less between 256 and 512kbps slinging at 320x240 or 640x480, I couldn't discern any significant quality differences between the PRO and the PRO-HD. If I was forced to choose, I would give the PRO-HD the edge, as I found the framerate to be smoother and the image a touch more solid. Others may disagree, but that's what I've experienced so far. 

At speeds greater than 512kbps, I'd definitely give the edge to the PRO-HD compared to the PRO, SOLO, AV, Tuner, and Classic. It's much easier to hold a quality 640x480 stream at the lower end of the spectrum

If you have the bandwidth to stream HD, then the PRO-HD will absoultely it will be better. 

At speeds less than 256kbps, my current observations show better results with WMV on the original PRO, but let's face it, both leave a lot to be desired when bandwidth is restricted to these levels. Perhpas additional tweaks to the PRO-HD will yeild better results at exteremely low bitrates in the future.

Hope that helps. :)

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September 25, 2008 2:34 PM

Thanks for your reply. I think I'll give the new box a try. Just hope it isn't too buggy :-)

September 25, 2008 6:51 PM

Matt, great review (as always). Did you try the USB port with a fan? Just wondering because I have founda few people that use the USB ports on some cable boxes to plug in a fan and keep the box(es) cool. That's one thing I have noticed about my current Pro, when you put it with the cable box the 2 of them can develop a lot of heat.

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September 25, 2008 7:05 PM

skiswm said: Matt, great review (as always). Did you try the USB port with a fan? Just wondering because I have founda few people that use the USB ports on some cable boxes to plug in a fan and keep the box(es) cool. That's one thing I have noticed about my current Pro, when you put it with the cable box the 2 of them can develop a lot of heat.

Thanks skiswm. I just took this one for you. :-)

You're absolutely correct, it does work just fine if you have a USB powered fan (which I obviously do.) I'm not sure about your fan, but mine is pretty loud, and it is amplified by the fairly hollow Slingbox shell. If yours is quieter, then you're all set. 

I also snapped this one as another thought. If you have a USB light, you can use it to help you hook up your Slingbox in a dark cabinet.

Come to think of it, we could start a whole thread on weird stuff to plug into your PRO-HD and SOLO USB jack. :-)

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September 25, 2008 8:52 PM

I would love to try it, but I already have 5 slingboxes. It looks great! My home system is Verizon FIOS which does offer 2Mb upload and 15Mb download. It would probably suffice on my end, but the remote end would be unlikely. Anyhow, I can't see the price, so I wonder if it's available now? And will you offer later HDMI with HDCP compliance? I am fighting that now with my media center PC which is iffy on the HDCP compliance, but I am working that out. Can't wait to see one of these HD PROs now. Thanks for the email note on this!! More later...

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September 25, 2008 8:56 PM

I can tell you that with about 1 Mb/s to 1.2 Mb/sec of upstream bandwidth the ProHD streams a BEAUTIFUL HD picture. It is mind blowing how good it is. If you have over 1 Mb/sec it is worth it. Below 1 Mb/sec it begins to get iffy - it might be OK at 900 but you'll have hardly anything buffered if there's a glitch of any kind...

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September 26, 2008 1:23 AM

I'm going to try and pick one up this weekend to compare against my Slingbox classic @ 640 x 480 with a 900-1000kbps connection. That's the info I'm really looking for!

September 26, 2008 3:49 AM

No HDMI? Here in the EU TV Networks tend to make extensive use of HDCP these days. So, no HDMI no Picture - well SD picture, but than what's the point in having a Placeshifter that can stream 1080i.
Of course one could use some HDCP Stripper device but that's not exactly user friendly either.

September 26, 2008 7:41 AM

When can we expect a Pal version in your opinion ? (with all the relevant remote codes for this area.)

Thanks

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Check my french review of the SB classic, as published in the Tele Satellite magazine

http://iptv.free.fr/cv/slingbox.pdf

September 26, 2008 7:49 AM

I have Verizon Fios for the upload speed at 1800 kbps...Will that suffice to stream in HD? What is the necessary download speed to be able to recieve the stream remotely?

Thx

September 26, 2008 9:55 AM

Lu said:

No HDMI? Here in the EU TV Networks tend to make extensive use of HDCP these days. So, no HDMI no Picture - well SD picture, but than what's the point in having a Placeshifter that can stream 1080i.
Of course one could use some HDCP Stripper device but that's not exactly user friendly either.


Well, that's the reason it doesn't have HDMI because it wouldn't be an HDCP compliant device. I don't know of any devices that can have HDMI connected to that are anything but display devices for receiving the data stream from the source. I don't think the Slingbox would be considered a display device.

You instead use component which is HD capable. A lot of devices output HD on component...

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September 26, 2008 9:55 AM

JS76 said:

I have Verizon Fios for the upload speed at 1800 kbps...Will that suffice to stream in HD? What is the necessary download speed to be able to recieve the stream remotely?

Thx


Oh yeah. It will work quite well. Well, if you need an upload speed of between 1.0 and 1.5 Mb/sec you need at least that much on the download...

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September 26, 2008 9:56 AM updated: September 26, 2008 10:05 AM


Bill Best said:
I'm going to try and pick one up this weekend to compare against my Slingbox classic @ 640 x 480 with a 900-1000kbps connection. That's the info I'm really looking for!


It'll be significant, particularly because the max streaming res of the Classic is 640x240. ;-)


If you still own a Classic, and nothing else, the PRO-HD would be a fantastic upgrade. I think you'll really enjoy it.

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September 26, 2008 10:48 AM

Is the ethernet port 100MB or 1GB?

September 26, 2008 11:00 AM

Thanks for the review. Do you think that with a download of 670-700 kbps, I would be able to watch in the 640x480 resolution ? From my experience, the PRO needs 800+

September 26, 2008 11:46 AM

FourBeer said: Is the ethernet port 100MB or 1GB?
10/100 Base-T Ethernet. Slingbox doesn't need anywhere near 100MB for its maximum streaming capabilities.

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