Does the data on the coax-ethernet adapter leave the house via the coaxial cable?
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Categories: Routers / Networking Hardware
Despite the ever increasing proliferation of devices and services that require a broadband connection to the Internet, the average home has one major flaw: no Ethernet. Even modern day new-construction often lacks the magic eight conductor cable strung to every room, meaning getting that connection to things like Slingbox, Xbox Live, and other web based devices can be a real challenge.
Ethernet is the backbone of the network, and easily the fastest, most reliable way to network your devices. However, because most homes lack structural Ethernet wiring (and oftentimes adding it after the walls are buttoned up can be too difficult and/or expensive) a significant amount of effort has been put into creating devices that help you get network connections in other rooms using other means. Some rely on wireless technologies, while others rely on structured cabling common to homes.
If you're stuck with a Slingbox or SlingCatcher in a room without Ethernet and you need to use an Ethernet bridge of some sort, you'll have to choose between one of three major technologies to get the job done: powerline, wireless, and coax. Here are three different plug-and-play Ethernet adapter kits (based on these different technologies I personally use) and how they stack up.
Sling Media's own solution to the "no Ethernet" problem is the SlingLink, which is based on technology that allows you to transmit data over electrical wires. Simply plug one in near your router and the other near your Slingbox, and then connect each SlingLink to each device via an Ethernet cable.
Ethernet over Powerline technology is ideal for any Slingbox owner looking to get their Slingbox connected to a router. We're talking about electrical outlets here; unless you've completely missed the 20th century, odds are your home has several of these in every room. With outlets so widespread in your home, extenders like SlingLink offer a great amount of flexibility for getting Ethernet to almost any location.
The current Turbo models max out at 85Mbps, though in a realistic use scenario you'll come in far lower than that. However, it's certainly fast enough for a Slingbox, SlingCatcher, Xbox Live, and most other home theater devices. If you're looking to stream 1080p video to an HTPC, there are powerline products made for speeds up to 200Mbps that should do the job, albeit at a pretty high price tag.
Of course, while usually quite reliable, powerline extenders like SlingLink aren't perfect. Without getting too technical, power distribution to homes in the USA (split phase) causes roughly half of the outlets to be wired in a way that can occasionally be problematic for powerline data transmission. I've personally had few problematic outlets using both the Classic and Turbo SlingLink models, but if you're unlucky, it may stand in the way of using a SlingLink for your connection.
Other common issues with Powerline devices like the SlingLink are power strips and interference. Surge suppressors often include RFI filters that can interfere with the high-frequencies used by these devices. Plugging them in a surge strip can dramatically reduce performance or interfere completely. Interference from other devices plugged in can also disrupt powerline transmission. For example, I have a particular PC that when plugged into an outlet on the same circuit and turned on, the receiving end of my SlingLink 4 port stops working.
That said, all but the fastest models are relatively inexpensive at upwards of $200 for a kit, but there are a range of more affordable (but slightly slower) options anywhere between $50 and $125.

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Let's face it. Without wireless technologies, home networking would be nowhere near as prevalent as its become over the past 5 years. Every day, millions of people everywhere connect their laptops up to a wireless access point to get Internet access without wires, and it works great.
So, it would be reasonable to assume that wireless technology makes total sense as an Ethernet extender for a Slingbox, SlingCatcher, and other device. It is... to a point.
I've been using this NETGEAR Wireless N Networking kit for well over a year. This particular kit is dual purpose. You can either set it each as a Wireless N access point for connecting 5Ghz compatible gear (no 2.4Ghz compatibility here), or you can use them as an Ethernet bridge.
Like any wireless technology, performance will wildly vary depending on factors like interference, distance between them, and the number of obstacles in the way. The range is limited for high performance applications, but for things like Slingbox and SlingCatcher, you can get them pretty far apart and still maintain good performance.
Currently I'm using this as an extender to a SlingCatcher (going from basement to top floor), but I initially wanted hang a switch off one and use this as an extender to my living room home theater to get my Slingbox PRO-HD, Xbox 360, and HTPC connected. It worked beautifully for the Slingbox and HTPC, but I had serious problems using it with Xbox Live, with or without the switch. Others have complained of frequent lockups and reboots, but I have only had to reboot it once over the past year.
The only really negative things I could say is one, for an extender, they're awfully big. It's tough to hide a big 8.9 x 6.8 x 1.5 inch box. And two, the setup when using them as an extender is quite simple (virtually plug and play), but if you do have to go diving into the configuration menus, it isn't very straightforward (and everything you have to do, you have to do twice).
At MSRP the NETGEAR Wireless N Networking Kit seems is fairly priced, but at street prices it's actually a decent value, especially considering that if you need to stop using it as an extender, you can split up the pair and use them as access points.
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If you're all about using the latest technology, this kind of Ethernet bridge taps into a different kind of wire often found in the modern day home: the coax cable. In case you're wondering, MoCA stands for "Multimedia over Coax Alliance" which is, according to them, "an open, industry driven initiative promoting distribution of digital video and entertainment through existing coaxial cable in the home."
Using coax as a transmission line solves quite a few problems. For starters, there's far less interference on your coax cable (thanks to few devices on the line and the fact the cable is shielded) than, say, your electrical lines and the over-crowded wireless spectrum. Second, coax has a lot of bandwidth to work with. Plus, as an added bonus, coax outlets are typically located near your entertainment system, which puts it in easy reach to the Slingbox.
Thankfully these are pretty much plug and play; getting into the configuration menu on these are a real pain. You have to plug a laptop or computer directly into one in order to access it using an application you install. I'm not sure why NETGEAR's wireless kit can be reached from any PC on the network, while these can't, but that's the way it is.
So how does it perform? Bar none, this is definitely the fastest bridge I've used yet. I didn't come anywhere near the theoretical maximum throughput of 270Mbps in my installation, but I easily averaged well over 100Mbps, which puts every other solution I've tried to shame.
In all honesty, the speed here is far beyond what's necessary for a Slingbox. However, it's likely that if you need a bridge for your Slingbox, you'll also need something for your Xbox, PS3, Wii, TiVo, HTPC and whatever Internet connected gadgets you have hanging out in your home theater. Hang a network switch off the back of one and you've got a fast and reliable connection for everything in your home theater.
There's one real kicker though... it can't be used with satellite service. Meaning that unless you have two sets of coax cables running room to room, you're pretty much out of luck if you have DirecTV or Dish Network. This a club exclusive to cable or terrestrial antenna users.
Street prices for this kit currently hover in the $200+ price range, so it's certainly one of the more expensive solutions. If your only goal is to connect a Slingbox, this may be a little overkill. If you're looking to get a modern entertainment system connected, don't have satellite, and want Ethernet speeds without the Ethernet cable... this is definitely it.
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Does the data on the coax-ethernet adapter leave the house via the coaxial cable?
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From the MoCA website FAQ:
Can adjacent dwellings hear/interfere with a MoCA network?
Drop cables and multitaps isolate coax between homes. Multitaps give varying amounts of isolation between tap ports that vary with frequency, and can be insufficient to fully isolate homes in the 860 - 2000 MHz band. Multitaps come in 2, 4 and 8 tap versions, the majority being 2 and 4 tap multitaps. Coax can support reliable 100 Mbps in a 50 Mhz bandwidth or less, enabling more than 8 channels/homes to exist independently above 850 Mhz.
If necessary, physically isolating homes on coax requires that simple 850 MHz low pass filters be installed between the multitap and the POE. Since there are more channels supported than shared homes on a multitap, each home can be operated on its own frequency, eliminating the need for physical isolation filters until the neighborhood is heavily penetrated with multiple channels per home, and usage rates indicate more channels than are available within the total bandwidth. Thus, in combination with encryption, coax supports private independent networks that are not degraded by neighboring homes.
As a side note, the transmission between MoCA adapters is encrypted.
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Ok, first of all. Are you running a cooler under this box?
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Secondly what the heck is this Phillips device?
But seriously. I use a SlingLink Turbo on one of by boxes and it works great. Nice thing about that is I can also hook up my TiVo S2 to it to DL guides, transfer multi room etc and have no problems.
I also use a 4th option that you did not hit on and that was a Linksys WRT-54G, with DD-WRT, running in Bridged mode and that works great too! It's a$49.95 router that once setup does a great job at very little expense.
Naturally with it you need to look into aftermarket firmware and there are a few learning curves setting it up but there are alot of routers out there now that you can do that with.
The Netgear one shown at MyOpenRouter is a good example of that.
Brandon C said: Ok, first of all. Are you running a cooler under this box?+ Secondly what the heck is this Phillips device?
But seriously. I use a SlingLink Turbo on one of by boxes and it works great. Nice thing about that is I can also hook up my TiVo S2 to it to DL guides, transfer multi room etc and have no problems. I also use a 4th option that you did not hit on and that was a Linksys WRT-54G, with DD-WRT, running in Bridged mode and that works great too! It's a$49.95 router that once setup does a great job at very little expense. Naturally with it you need to look into aftermarket firmware and there are a few learning curves setting it up but there are alot of routers out there now that you can do that with. The Netgear one shown at MyOpenRouter is a good example of that.
LOL.
Okay, one thing at a time. I wanted to include a photo of my real life installation for these products since I really do use all three in my own house. In the first shot, it's not a cooler in the background. It's a vertical stand to an RF modulator I have. I didn't really have anywhere else to put it.
In the second picture you pointed out, the Philips device is a simple audio baby monitor. The white thing next to it is a plush toy (a little lamb). I have the NETGEAR WiFi Bridge to get my SlingCatcher working on a TV in the nursery. Has been very useful to watch the cable box during those late night feedings.
I didn't forget about your 4th option, and I intentionally chose to leave out my D-Link DWL-810+Gaming adapter. I decided to focus solely on retail Bridge kits for this piece, which I defined as kits that have both a transmitter and receiver because they don't require you to have a pre-existing wireless network to use them.
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Additionally if anyone is using a D-Link N router - the best for Media being D-Link DIR-825 rev b or DIR-855 (gaming version of the same router). Along with their 4-port wireless bridge/access point DAP-1522 you can get some great extension of your network and it works great with Sling Pro-HD in HD mode.
You can also use the D-Link Xtreme N Duo Media Bridge (DAP-1555) instead of the DAP-1552.
Personally think the DIR-825 with the DAP-1522 is best combination for the money (in this solution option).
I would disagree that the 200Mbps devices are too expensive. I've used a lot of Solwise ones (using the 'Homeplug AV' standard) and they've now released the excellent 'Piggy', a 6-way power adapter plus 3-port ethernet switch.
http://www.solwise.co.uk/net-powerline-av-index.htm
I'm sure similar products should be availbled in North America :-)
I use MSRP pricing as my benchmark for comparison since pricing between online and retail varies substantially. Depending on where you shop, I've seen some 200Mbps kits for the $130 to $150 range, though the 85Mbps products are also substantially less.alanjrobertson said: I would disagree that the 200Mbps devices are too expensive. I've used a lot of Solwise ones (using the 'Homeplug AV' standard) and they've now released the excellent 'Piggy', a 6-way power adapter plus 3-port ethernet switch. http://www.solwise.co.uk/net-powerline-av-index.htm I'm sure similar products should be availbled in North America :-)
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I've tried all 3..
In San Francisco, wireless N doesn't have a good range.. (it was good enough.. but required bigger antenna's and the speed was so-so.. topping out at 40/50mb/sec on a good day - great for slingbox, but not for everything else I had going from one side of the apartment to the other)
Powerline was a joke for me as my building is so old (worked, but slow..)
Moca rocks! it's near 100mb/sec for me..
-mark
Another reccommendation for MoCA. I use a pair of Motorola NIM100 units. It's as good as a CAT5 connection.
I use 2 "recycled" actiontec routers from Verizon - you can buy them for $25 on eBay. Since these are MOCA wifi routers, I use:
- one as primary (dhcp server + PPoE as it's WAN connected to my ADSL modem) with one LAN (PC) and wifi enabled. It is also connected to Coax to share with other MOCA clients
- the other is used as local bridge (DHCP server disabled) : coax in, one LAN (slingbox) and wifi enabled (same SSID as primary but different channel).
Result: Not only do I have Ethernet where there is only coax but have now a wireless extender as well.
Well, the Powerline offers faster real-world connection over Wireless-N. When you are streaming HD around the house, wireless can be iffy at times. It is best if you can just run Cat-5, but if you are in a rental solutions like these can be great to offer a decent connection.
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