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AT&T Reverses Course, Retracts Changes to Terms of Service

The SlingCommunity team saw the statement issued earlier by AT&T that they were reversing course and retracting the changes they made to their terms of service, including the part that would basically prohibit the use of Slingbox or any other placeshifting device on their network. However, we weren't ready to say the world was peachy again until AT&T actually changed the text on their website... something that happened just a short time ago. Apparently their webmaster was on an extended coffee break.

With bad news hitting Slingers left and right the past few days, it's feels good something finally went our way. Still, even though they may have lost this time, we have a feeling the empire's going to strike back.

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April 3, 2009 10:36 PM

Power to the fracking people on the web! WHOOT! The web and blogosphere lit up with complaints and I am sure Apple went to AT&T as well and said, "Hey - Almost all of the iPhone now violates your TOS - whaddya doing?" Some new fresh out of law school lawyer who thought he was hot stuff is now in the bread line...

YES!

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April 3, 2009 10:44 PM

Wow! This is great news. They definitely changed their course of action quickly.

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April 4, 2009 1:28 AM

NA9D said: Power to the fracking people on the web! WHOOT! The web and blogosphere lit up with complaints and I am sure Apple went to AT&T as well and said, "Hey - Almost all of the iPhone now violates your TOS - whaddya doing?" Some new fresh out of law school lawyer who thought he was hot stuff is now in the bread line... YES!
I agree 100% !! The sling community is a strong voice and we took on the big guys at AT&T and won this battle. Now if Apple would hurry up and approve the app all will be right in the world.

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April 4, 2009 12:17 PM

daVille said:
NA9D said: Power to the fracking people on the web! WHOOT! The web and blogosphere lit up with complaints and I am sure Apple went to AT&T as well and said, "Hey - Almost all of the iPhone now violates your TOS - whaddya doing?" Some new fresh out of law school lawyer who thought he was hot stuff is now in the bread line... YES!
I agree 100% !! The sling community is a strong voice and we took on the big guys at AT&T and won this battle. Now if Apple would hurry up and approve the app all will be right in the world.

daVille, are you aware of what Sling's doing to owners of their older hardware? they're not supporting us for their iPhone app, but instructing us to go buy new slingboxes! I call it karma that AT$T was gonna give them the big FU right back, of course not on principle, but for their own greedy a$$e$. I'm glad ATT changed their mind as well, but now the spotlights back on to Sling and their greedy motives. You're sleeping w/ the enemy if you support Sling and will likely be in OUR (unsupported slingbox owners) boat within a few years when Sling turns their back on you. Everything they tell us (please moderator, chime in as I've read you do in other threads) is just as applicable to YOU in a couple of years.

April 4, 2009 8:55 PM

I wouldn't go too crazy patting yourselves on the back and shouting "Power to the people" just yet. It's extremely unlikely that AT&T cared or even noticed about the sling community's outrage. In descending order of likelyhood, the death star did this because: 1) Jobs called AT&T CEO and asked WTF?, 2) death star wants to avoid weakening strategic position with FCC in Skype lawsuit, 3) death star wants to avoid giving Apple and the current crop of sucke...err, customers yet another reason to jump ship when verizon rolls out its 4g network and sprint rolls out wimax in next year or two.

April 4, 2009 11:33 PM

Well, Power to the People did not refer to SlingCommunity. I doubt we were noticed. The rest of the Blogosphere was hot with this though.

Second, not sure about the Skype Lawsuit you mention

Third, AT&T is also planning G4 just like Verizon - both are going to roll it out in the 700 MHz band allocations they won. Standard for both is LTE. The cool part about that is that if you can unlock an LTE phone, you could take it from AT&T to Verizon and vice-versa.

Fourth - Sprint with WiMax - don't hold your breath. WiMax is pretty much a dead technology in the US. Sprint is the only carrier to support it and it's got a lot of technical hurdles particularly for mobiles. Most of the mobile phone companies are backing away from WiMax handsets.

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April 4, 2009 11:36 PM updated: April 4, 2009 11:36 PM

jbogdany said:

daVille, are you aware of what Sling's doing to owners of their older hardware? they're not supporting us for their iPhone app, but instructing us to go buy new slingboxes! I call it karma that AT$T was gonna give them the big FU right back, of course not on principle, but for their own greedy a$$e$. I'm glad ATT changed their mind as well, but now the spotlights back on to Sling and their greedy motives. You're sleeping w/ the enemy if you support Sling and will likely be in OUR (unsupported slingbox owners) boat within a few years when Sling turns their back on you. Everything they tell us (please moderator, chime in as I've read you do in other threads) is just as applicable to YOU in a couple of years.


Why are you sleeping with the enemy?

Do you like to make money? I'm sure you do and if you could make more money, I am sure you would jump at the chance. It's hypocritical to blame Sling's profit motives for obsoleting the old boxes when we all want more money. They have to do something to grow sales. Do I like the move? No. Is it a smart move? No. Did they handle it well? No. Are they somehow unethical or wrong for wanting to make more money? No. The thing people forget these days is that companies need to make money in order to expand and employ people. I don't blame Sling at all for wanting all of us to buy more of their hardware. I'm hardly sleeping with the enemy if I upgrade to a new box.

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April 5, 2009 2:24 AM updated: April 6, 2009 11:29 PM

NA9D said:
j609z said: daVille, are you aware of what Sling's doing to owners of their older hardware? they're not supporting us for their iPhone app, but instructing us to go buy new slingboxes! I call it karma that AT$T was gonna give them the big FU right back, of course not on principle, but for their own greedy a$$e$. I'm glad ATT changed their mind as well, but now the spotlights back on to Sling and their greedy motives. You're sleeping w/ the enemy if you support Sling and will likely be in OUR (unsupported slingbox owners) boat within a few years when Sling turns their back on you. Everything they tell us (please moderator, chime in as I've read you do in other threads) is just as applicable to YOU in a couple of years.
Why are you sleeping with the enemy? Do you like to make money? I'm sure you do and if you could make more money, I am sure you would jump at the chance. It's hypocritical to blame Sling's profit motives for obsoleting the old boxes when we all want more money. They have to do something to grow sales. Do I like the move? No. Is it a smart move? No. Did they handle it well? No. Are they somehow unethical or wrong for wanting to make more money? No. The thing people forget these days is that companies need to make money in order to expand and employ people. I don't blame Sling at all for wanting all of us to buy more of their hardware. I'm hardly sleeping with the enemy if I upgrade to a new box.

Point taken on wanting more $, of course we all want more of it. Unethical motive... no, of course not. Unethical execution seems to be the debate. They have other options than what they chose to do. Not every household has a slingbox, target that market. Happy customers showing off their fancy schmancy iPhones w/ TV is likely going to translate into far more sales, I won't kick that horse anymore.

They got creative after the original; there's a SOLO with bare essential features at a fraction of the cost of the original. Kudos, they captured a lower price/feature bracket of a market that they didn't have prior to that. They also took advantage of ACTUAL technological advances that were becoming more prevalent and offer an HD version of slingbox. Just the other day announced the HD DVR. It's understandable that due to technolgical innovations, new hardware is warranted for these features. Now, it's time to think of something NEW we'll want to spend our $$ because I already own a slingbox.

When CD players first came out, people with tape decks in their cars didn't replace their cars if they wanted a CD player. Nor did anyone make CD players intentionally not work w/ 3-4 year old cars for the purpose of selling more cars. Nor did anyone say that you have to buy a new car (Cd player sold separately) that really hasn't any new features over your old car (eh, shinier,) in order to have a CD player. Nor did anyone actually carry out these tasks, for these results on the basis of allegiance to a car dealer. They might have gone to their car dealer to buy their CD player out of alligiance to them. Also, since I don't know everyone, anyone might be too strong, but u get the point. And I know that a car is not in the same price scope as a slingbox, but neither is my disposable income relative to other members-- it's the principle I'm after.

Sling was acquired for $380 million http://www.slingmedia.com/get/pr-echostar-slingmedia.html, so they must not be doing too bad for someone see that sort of value in them. I suppose if you have $380 million kickin around to acquire a company, how poor can ya be?

April 6, 2009 2:27 PM

Wanna bet Apple threated the iPhone exclusivity with at&t....Apple does not want the Goose that lays the golden eggs(the App Store) to lose big names.

Now if we can get stick in the bu## Slingmedia to pull their heads out of their....

April 7, 2009 8:29 AM

With a cellular phone war between companies, ATT can use the slingplayer for iPhone as a marketting tools. They have national advertising about all you can do with the iPhone by showing that for everything you have a iPhone application. SlingPlayer can be a good assest for markerting the iPhone by showing to tv viewer that you can watch tv using the slingbox in your iPhone.

April 7, 2009 6:13 PM

has anyone asked Sling to comment on why their app is taking so long to approve by Apple?

April 20, 2009 1:48 AM

I suspect that it going to cost. They presently do not have an unlimited data plan, they limit you to 5 GB. The old plans were unlimited until the popularity of the Smartphone, PDA, and Wireless Modems. Unless they (AT&T) increase there capacity and Verizon offers a truly unlimited data plan (AT&T seems to follow and not lead) we might have to wait a bit longer. Maybe Apple has the leverage to pursuade AT&T to offer a truly unlimited, but probably it will be an increase in monthly cost for this feature. At what price are you willing to pay for this feature?

April 26, 2009 2:18 PM

good lord, that's why i love windows mobile.

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