April 29, 2009 6:45 PM

I agree COMPLETELY with the first post. Competition among iPhone providers is sorely neeeeeeeeeeded.

April 29, 2009 11:06 PM updated: April 29, 2009 11:09 PM

I disagree, i am not an iphone pan. Android is the future! Now that they just released version 1.5 devs can now create widgets! Something which the iphone will not be doing antime soon. Also the andrid is currently being released on many phones, and netbooks as well!. Sling needs to create an app for the android. Pleaseeee!!!

Also, this is a reason why i would never go to att wireless. Att needs to just focus on the bandwith limit, and not block slingplayer. Remember att customers, you have everyright to leave your contract without being charged because the changed the terms of service, which you did not agree to when you signed up.

April 30, 2009 3:58 AM

Yeah, I've been an AT&T customer for years - this is the same language they've had for as long as I can remember.

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April 30, 2009 8:43 AM

I love how AT&T has no problem taking my money each month for "unlimited" data, yet when it comes to something that actually uses some bandwidth it is blocked. I hope the iPhone goes to Verizon because I will be switching the day it does.

April 30, 2009 10:16 AM

MegaZone said: Yeah, I've been an AT&T customer for years - this is the same language they've had for as long as I can remember.

The addition of "redirecting television signals for viewing on Personal Computers" is new. I saved off the TOS when they changed it back the last time. Here's that section:

Prohibited and Permissible Uses: Except as may otherwise be specifically permitted or prohibited for select data plans, data sessions may be conducted only for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). While most common uses for Intranet browsing, email and intranet access are permitted by your data plan, there are certain uses that cause extreme network capacity issues and interference with the network and are therefore prohibited.  Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) server devices or host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine-to-machine connections or peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing; (ii) as a substitute or backup for private lines, landlines or full-time or dedicated data connections; (iii) "auto-responders," "cancel-bots," or similar automated or manual routines which generate excessive amounts of net traffic, or which disrupt net user groups or email use by others; (iv) "spam" or unsolicited commercial or bulk email (or activities that have the effect of facilitating unsolicited commercial email or unsolicited bulk email); (v) any activity that adversely affects the ability of other people or systems to use either AT&T's wireless services or other parties' Internet-based resources, including "denial of service" (DoS) attacks against another network host or individual user; (vi) accessing, or attempting to access without authority, the accounts of others, or to penetrate, or attempt to penetrate, security measures of AT&T's wireless network or another entity's network or systems;  (vii) software or other devices that maintain continuous active Internet connections when a computer's connection would otherwise be idle or any "keep alive" functions, unless they adhere to AT&T's data retry requirements, which may be changed from time to time. This means, by way of example only, that checking email, surfing the Internet, downloading legally acquired songs, and/or visiting corporate intranets is permitted, but downloading movies using P2P file sharing services, web broadcasting, and/or for the operation of servers, telemetry devices and/or Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition devices is prohibited. Furthermore, plans(unless specifically designated for tethering usage) cannot be used for any applications that tether the device (through use of, including without limitation, connection kits, other phone/PDA-to computer accessories, Bluetooth® or any other wireless technology) to Personal Computers (including without limitation, laptops), or other equipment for any purpose.  Accordingly, AT&T reserves the right to (i) deny, disconnect, modify and/or terminate Service, without notice, to anyone it believes is using the Service in any manner prohibited or whose usage adversely impacts its wireless network or service levels or hinders access to its wireless network, including without limitation, after a significant period of inactivity or after sessions of excessive usage and (ii) otherwise protect its wireless network from harm, compromised capacity or degradation in performance, which may impact legitimate data flows.  You may not send solicitations to AT&T's wireless subscribers without their consent.  You may not use the Services other than as intended by AT&T and applicable law. Plans are for individual, non-commercial use only and are not for resale.   AT&T may, but is not required to, monitor your compliance, or the compliance of other subscribers, with AT&T's terms, conditions, or policies.

Also, it looks like the old version is still in the Google Cache (at least right now anyway): http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:jS9gPM21858J:www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...

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April 30, 2009 12:01 PM

Verizon getting the iPhone in 2009


AT&T has been the sole provider of the popular iPhone in the United States, word on the street is that Verizon will be the next carrier for the iPhone in 2009. The iPhone will be available for Verizon's EVDO service. Here is a list as to why Apple should break away and offer the iPhone to more carriers:
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Also I been waiting for a Palm Pre on Sprint, Two lines unlimited, sharing data for only 139.00

April 30, 2009 12:18 PM

Yes, you are right about 2010 in 6 month will be there, I get the info on this page for 2009.

http://www.theipodnation.com/iphone-news/verizon-getting-the-iphone-in-2009/

Any way is going to cost $$$.

April 30, 2009 12:34 PM updated: April 30, 2009 1:53 PM

Well Sprint may look better since they allow streaming, but the coverage is not that good where I live. But NO Iphone...Palm Pre.
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Cnet is saying the Verizon and Ipod are planing to launch 2 new devices this year, maybe the just change the name of the Iphone.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10228831-1.html

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Since they have TV services, allowing streaming.

April 30, 2009 1:17 PM updated: April 30, 2009 1:21 PM

Let's see from the CNET story. First of all, the title ends in a "?" Then we get:

Over the last few months rumors have continued to swirl around a possible Verizon-Apple deal to bring the iPhone to Verizon once Apple's exclusive pact with AT&T expires in 2010. But Tuesday BusinessWeek added a new twist to the rumor, reporting that Verizon and Apple are in talks to develop two new wireless devices that may hit the market this year. Allegedly, one device would be a thinner, lighter, and lower-priced version of the iPhone--an iPhone Lite, if you will. While the other device would be something akin to the jumbo iPod Touch that we wrote about previously. BusinessWeek's anonymous source describes it as a "media pad that would let users listen to music, view photos, and watch high-definition videos." The source, who claims to have seen the new media pad, says it's "smaller than an Amazon Kindle electronic reader, but its touch-screen is bigger than the Kindle's." It would be able to place calls over Wi-Fi and a high-speed wireless data connection from Verizon. In discussing the latest rumor, BusinessWeek and some analysts seemed to downplay the possibility of the iPhone Lite coming to Verizon as long as Apple has an iPhone deal in place with AT&T. While details of that agreement remain scant, the assumption is there's a clause that very likely imposes "strict limits on Apple's ability to introduce an iPhone on a rival network," according to BusinessWeek. There's also a strong possibility that Apple is using all the Verizon talk to put pressure on AT&T to extend its deal with Apple at better terms.

I count all sorts of couched terms in this like "rumor", "allegedly", "downplay", "scant", etc. If you follow anything with Apple, you will see that rumors like this abound aplenty but very few are ever true.

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May 2, 2009 10:03 AM

NA9D said: I think what you have to look at here is the fine detail of the language. If you are using an AT&T data card for your main internet connection at home (or wherever), you are already prohibited from doing things like running a file server, running a mail server, etc. What the language did NOT prohibit was streaming data FROM a Slingbox. The language specifically probits the REDIRECTION of television signals. It does NOT prohibit receiving television signals that have already been redirected. It's minutae but it's important. Using SlingPlayer on your iphone or other mobile device is NOT redirecting television signals over AT&T's network. The redirection has already been done at your home via your home ISP. You are simply receiving a video stream like any other video stream. AT&T doesn't want their network used on the upload end - that's all.

 I swear, I have never agreed more with anyone on the internet as I do with what you say on almost every comment you make..  Maybe because were Hams?

 Anyway, if you want to take it a step further, your not redirecting any signal at all, as the signal is demodulated and converted into bits. Thus, you are receiving bits, not a redirected tv signal..