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I just ordered one and I haven't seen it in action yet so my opinion is based on what I've read here and there.

The analogy of Yugo compared to a Porche is way too lopsided. I think a better analogy would be the difference between a Ford GT and a Ferrari. Both have similar performance (GT is actually faster) but the Ferrari is an order of magnitude more expensive.

I love threads like this. It reminds me of the obscure ritual of honking your horn when you cross a bridge to repel the troll.

What's troubling me is the lack of viable information regarding the TV2Me box hardware in use.
For that kind of a price tag, i prefer to know what's going inside one of these.
I've heard about H.264

But is it hardware encoded ? (it'd better be for that price.)

A simple test stream of non copyrighted content made available online by both companies would resolve the discussion in a matter of seconds...

I invite both parties to do just that if they're so eager to prove their point.

Take up the challenge or don't bother arguing.

I suppose this what you resort to when someone comes along and comes up with a better product than yours for 1/20th the price.  Funny thing is it would have been a product I might have had some interest in prior to this really strange behavior.  

 From the information on their site the TV2ME does not look like its streaming is anywhere near as adaptable to changing network conditions most of us experience in the real world.  I have slinged back to my home from several countries, and will pick up a couple more this month. 

 I found the "just go down the street" comments particularly amusing.

There's a demo on their website now. Unfortunately, it's not a real life demonstration as videos are pre-recorded. They're supposed to be live captures anyway.

Quality seems consistent with what you can achieve through live encoding using x264 (open source implementation of the h.264 codec). At least according to my own trials.

If only the x264 team implemented a true cbr or a better way to control the actual bitrate, we could build a streaming solution on par with TV2me at a fraction of the cost. (are you listening Slingmedia people ?)

If TV2me is pentium based, then i'd really like to see what kind of software or harware is responsible for the encoding.

 update : You can now request a live demo.

Ok so i know we all are a little biased becuase well it is the sling community forums. But you say the tv2me is better quality then the Slingbox? I watch my sling box...full screen....on a 23 inch TV through S-Video and audio cables to my computer......The quality is maybe 85% of what i get at home....and that is 250 miles away. OO and by the way, I saved $4,750 and still get the same TV. I can understand that you are saying the tv2me is better....if it cost about $350-$400 dollars. But there is also a trade off. I will take a little less video quality and saze then pay well over $4,000 dollars for something thats really not all that important to me.

jessijohnson said: "Message from the SlingCommunity Team: It has come to our attention that two members involved in this forum may be affiliated with the TV2ME company, a partner, or distributor. The SlingCommunity Team has been unsuccessful in trying to contact members "jessijohnson" and "markwalrus", as each member's e-mail address has already been deactivated. The SlingCommunity Team, as an independent third party, respects your opinion and freedom of speech, and considers SlingCommunity to be an open forum. While we encourage the open and frank discussions regarding competitive products to the Slingbox, it is our policy that anyone choosing to take part in these discussions must make any product affiliations known to the community. If you believe someone is not being honest in this regard, please report them by using our feedback tool, and we will do our best to follow up. Thank you, The SlingCommunity Team" SlingMedia claims that it 'enables you to watch your TV programming from wherever you are by turning virtually any Internet-connected PC into your personal TV." I had a hard time swallowing that after I saw the its performance. Any reasonable consumer would assume that when an Internet-connected PC becomes a personal TV, that it would somewhat resemble television (picture quality, full-motion picture, etc.) This is, however, not the case with SlingMedia. What's sad is that the positive feedback Sling has received is because the people reviewing it haven't tested it over long distances. Sure it looks okay when you're running it across a 1.5 Mbps LAN, but what about when you're halfway around the world? Seriously, get out of the office and see what happens when you check out Sling a few miles from the source over a Wi-Fi connection. Then give your reviews about this $250 novelty. As is, I can't see this being anything more than a candidate for "the must-have gadget that is most likely to get shelved in three days." So how does one get a TV-quality picture? TV2Me. It's more expensive, but you get what you pay for. Schaffer, the guy who invented it, let me watch TV from Moscow and the quality was much better than Sling. This actually looked like TV. I just read a blog about a guy watching Tel Aviv TV with this thing on an airplane to New York: http://novaspivack.typepad.com/nova_spivacks_weblog/2005/10/... That's impressive. I'd like to see Sling try something like that.

Try being a little more realistic. For the price that you pay it is a good product in my opinion. No matter what you do to make something like this the quality on the other end is never going to be exactly the same as the origional. There are way too many variables in the internet world for that to be possible. And the fact that people are esentially watching their TV in America across the country with little or no problems, I don't see the point of you bitching about something that I hear more good stories about rather than bad ones. Not all of us are rich. That's all I'm gonna say on that and I don't really care if the poster of this thread ever reads this. More than likely (from what I see later on in the thread) they will make some smart ass remark that just wont cut it.

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jessijohnson said: Excuse me? First of all, I'm a "she" not a "he" (like a female couldn't have an opinion of something technical). And I'm tired of hearing the rants about Sling's boiled-down attempt at this otherwise exciting technology. Oh, I believe the person on sling 411 was quoting this blog. (http://slingbox411.com/forum/index.php?topic=35.msg89#msg89) Honestly, of all the people on this forum, I have to be the only one who's seen both of these in action. I happen to own a Slingbox, I have to admit, I was curious too. But after I saw TV2Me, I was hooked. Granted, not everyone here is in a position to shell out $5K, but let's just agree that it's the difference between a Yugo and a Porsche: you get what you pay for.

An Aston Martin is porobably a better car then my honda accord, but you don't see me driving it.

Also my accord keeps up w/ the fastest ferrari's in bumper to bumper traffic - I'd be surprised to see that product perform better over slower network links.

-mark

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

richy2004 said: MONEY MONEY EVERYWHERE, but not a bit to pay. Look, the cost of the satellite system SATELLITE SYSTEM went from $15,000 to FREE in 20 years. Todays technology requires simplified use to get to the most people. HDTV can be, and has been, networked for YEARS. $5000 dollars is not too overpriced today for that power, and can be accomplished with studio quality gear. MPEG-II ASI styles go for 800 dollars (Wholesale), and are used in local HDTV studios today for transfering programming. ASI has been hot for more than 2 years as Digital terrestrial has taken off, production studios demanded it. But only what is in this "box" that cannot be done with a great computer, with game power?

 You got the point : Nothing...