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gojeda

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Hi all...

I just bought a Slingbox A/V, which is my first Slingbox.  I have installed Slingbox units for a couple of other friends, so the installation of my unit was smooth.

First off, my comments:

1.  Slingplayer Mobile (I'll call it SPM) needs work.  It is quite far behind the Windows desktop version in terms of usability.  For example, SPM does not automatically detect to see if the player is on the same LAN.  This means that if you want to use your Slingbox inside the LAN and externally, you will need to setup two directory items: one for use while you are on the same LAN, and one for use while you are remotely accessing.  Not good.

I haven't tried the newer SPM Beta yet, so perhaps this is fixed?

2.  My upload speed on my DSL at home is 256 kbps on paper and about 200-210 kbps in real-world throughput.  This is OK for 75% of content on TV.  The other 25%, especially high-moton programming like sports, suffers.  I hope Slingmedia continues to massage their codecs.  In its current form, the Slingbox is unusable, IMO, below 200 kbps sustained.

3.  Slingplayer (both Windows and especially the PocketPC versions) take a little longer than expected to "optimize".   In the case of the PocketPC version, it can take as long as 4 to 5 minutes to optimize the stream (no, I do not change channels either) - even when on the same LAN.  I don't think my PDA is the issue here.  It is a Dell Axim X3H, one of the fastest PDAs out there.

4.  The IR blasters look silly, but they actually work well.  They need to go though.

All in all, a good product - though I am not 100% sure that it is ready for prime-time yet.  The otherside to this equation is that this is the one device that does what it does the best.

My questions:

1.  I bought the Slingbox A/V.  The Best Buy store only had that in stock, not the regular silver Slingbox unit.  Which one is the more capable unit in terms of connectivity?  The Silver Slingbox looks like it has more port options in the back of the unit.

2.  Between the Slingbox A/V and the regular Slingbox, which one provides the best picture?  The Slingbox A/V claims better streaming performance.  I haven't been around a regular Slingbox in a while to compare the two.  Has anyone done a side-by-side comparison yet?

3.  Is the firmware in the Slingbox A/V upgradeable?  If it is, can these upgrades mean better video and audio in the future?

4.  I have a Tivo Series2 Dual Tuner.  Is there a way to use the serial contection on the Tivo unit to control the DVR instead of those silly looking IR blasters?

5.  Slingbox needs a browser based players.  What are the plans for this?

That is enough for now I suppose.  The Slingbox is a good product that is leaving me wanting more.  I have not decided if I am going to keep it.  I might return the unit and re-visit this issue a year or two from now, but I will reserve decision depending on the responses I get here.

Cheers...

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September 25, 2006 7:06 AM

I maybe wrong but as far as I was concerned the product working titled "Slingbox A/V" has only just been approved by the FCC and is not even in production.   Could you send us picture of the box you have or does it look like this.. 

http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/7250/7250299_ra.jpg (thanks to Best Buy for picture)

 This is a regular slingbox

Please don't PM me technical questions.

September 25, 2006 7:28 AM

OK, no - that is not what I have.  Here is a picture of what I bought:

http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2006/09/new-slingbox.jpg

The model number of the unit, I believe, is SB240-100 A/V.  I bought the unit at a Best Buy in South Florida.

I am not near the box nor the unit at the moment, but IIRC, the box it came in was jet black with some red trim.  Inside was another box, which was red, which contained everything. 

 

September 25, 2006 8:40 AM

Oops.....

 So did they have any of the other new versions??  How much was the AV?

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September 25, 2006 12:17 PM

I want the new version too. Does anyone have more info where to purchase?

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September 25, 2006 12:24 PM

gojeda said: OK, no - that is not what I have. Here is a picture of what I bought: http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2006/09/new-slingbox.jpg The model number of the unit, I believe, is SB240-100 A/V. I bought the unit at a Best Buy in South Florida. I am not near the box nor the unit at the moment, but IIRC, the box it came in was jet black with some red trim. Inside was another box, which was red, which contained everything.

 

 

wow, those are the photos off the FCC website and gizmodo.

do you have any pictures of the unit YOU bought that yould could post?

What does the receipt say that you bought, and what was the price at best buy?

thanks

interested tivoboy

September 25, 2006 12:31 PM

also, could you give us some idea of what firmware is running on the machine and what software you got to download for it??  What is the software version of the SPM that you mentioned, I wonder if there are any  new features in it for this new box?  Or new features at all.

thanks for your respones, inquiring minds want to know now!! :-) 

September 25, 2006 1:17 PM

ryandh said: Oops.....  So did they have any of the other new versions??  How much was the AV?

 

Nope, this particular Best Buy only had the Slingbox A/V, about 4 or 5 pieces.  There were no other Slingbox models in sight.

I paid $179 for the unit.

September 25, 2006 1:21 PM

cool

if you can access the box remotely, can you give us some details of the FW and device version of that new box?

Tongue out

September 25, 2006 1:35 PM

tivoboy said:
gojeda said: OK, no - that is not what I have. Here is a picture of what I bought: http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2006/09/new-slingbox.jpg The model number of the unit, I believe, is SB240-100 A/V. I bought the unit at a Best Buy in South Florida. I am not near the box nor the unit at the moment, but IIRC, the box it came in was jet black with some red trim. Inside was another box, which was red, which contained everything.
    wow, those are the photos off the FCC website and gizmodo. do you have any pictures of the unit YOU bought that yould could post? What does the receipt say that you bought, and what was the price at best buy? thanks interested tivoboy

Here are a few photos....

http://static.flickr.com/117/252578188_9c21c1afd0_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/85/252578194_8929c63545_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/111/252593640_481425cd2c_o.jpg

So, anyone have any observations of what I said in my original post?

 

September 25, 2006 1:39 PM

tivoboy said: cool if you can access the box remotely, can you give us some details of the FW and device version of that new box? Tongue out

 

Product Signature: 00:00:03

Hardware Version: 1.2.0

IR Blaster Version: 2

Firmware Version: 0.9.7

Firmware Release Date: 8/22/2006

September 25, 2006 1:57 PM

all I can say is, that thing looks cool!

As for the post.

I haven't had the issue you reported using SPM.  Mine seems to work just fine, on the LAN or remote, and it certainly knows it is on the LAN since it is streaming at 700 kps, which is more than my upload bandwidth.  My outside upload cap is 512 kps, and I get about that over DSL.  With those speeds, I get VERY nice video, and still down to about 240kps or so.  As you note though, at 200kps the video quality does start to fall off.

This is the achiles heal of ANY remote streaming product, UPSTREAM bandwidth, which most people have not focussed on in the past.  Most consumers that is.  Over the LAN with either the SP pc client or the SPM, I get 2000kps and up to 700 kps repspectively.  I find that at 700+, the video quality is just excellent.  30 fps, nice color, audio, etc.  In the house, we use PC's as TV replacements.

Optimization can take some time, but I don't notice the times that you report.  Usually, it takes about 1-2 minutes to full optimization, but I find that I am streaming at good speeds up to that point and then beyond.  There is no SWITCH that goes on after optimziation is completed.  It just locks in.  you are correct though, when you change something, channel, pause, etc.  The optimization can start again.  This of course makes total sense.  It usually only takes about 10 seconds though to lock on again.

 

Questions:

I'm not sure what this box here is exactly, but the original slingbox, as you know, had a coax/cable in/tuner, an s-video and the mini plug composite dongle.  Less than this might mean fewer overall inputs? 

couldn't say for sure about image quality, but I am sure comparissons will come at some point.

The original slingbox certainly had a FW updater and SW updater and sling continues to upgrade and improve their video codes, and such so I would IMAGINE that this would continue with any new box they were to release.  It just makes sense.

yeah, the seriel connections were nice on older cable/sat boxes,  I don't know why more company's don't make use of them, other than IR is ubuiquitous on every device and the code base for IR codes is contantly updated by many, so implimenting that into a product is pretty easy.  I must say though, my original slingbox has no problems changing channels very quickly and being controlled VERY quickly either on the LAN or remotely.  so, I think you gotta learn to love the IR blasters, they will remain a while for sure.

Personally, I'm not holding my breath for a browser based player, not that it wouldn't be SWEET, but I don't think it is really going to be possible for this type of application.  I think there is too much going on with the HARDWARE and CLIENT that it would overload the browser.  As well, the codecs now appear to be proprietary, and I don't know how that would fly if it was over an HTTP stream?

That is one nice looking slingbox though, BLACK is well, the new black! 

September 25, 2006 2:00 PM

The box claims Mac support.  Did it come with the Mac Software?

September 25, 2006 2:07 PM

Oh, and as for the SPM, I would download whatever latest version there is available there.  Beta or no beta.  Also, I think you maybe still qualify for the FREE SPM software if you register in the next day or so, so that would be a nice 30$ savings over any cost/benefit decision.

Can't hurt.   

September 25, 2006 2:30 PM

tivoboy said: all I can say is, that thing looks cool! As for the post. I haven't had the issue you reported using SPM.  Mine seems to work just fine, on the LAN or remote, and it certainly knows it is on the LAN since it is streaming at 700 kps, which is more than my upload bandwidth.  My outside upload cap is 512 kps, and I get about that over DSL. 

Well my observation was not so much about performance, but the "discovery" method found in SPM.   From reading the forum, I believe ryandh had the same issue here, where we have to create two entries on the directory (one for internal, one for remote).  What I found is that if you did not create two entries, you may get a "unable to connect" message.

 With those speeds, I get VERY nice video, and still down to about 240kps or so.  As you note though, at 200kps the video quality does start to fall off. This is the achiles heal of ANY remote streaming product, UPSTREAM bandwidth, which most people have not focussed on in the past. 

Indeed....and, like I said, at 200 kbps, it is acceptable for things like news or talk shows - but for things like ESPN, it doesn't quite cut it.

Most consumers that is.  Over the LAN with either the SP pc client or the SPM, I get 2000kps and up to 700 kps repspectively.

I top out at around 1630 kbps with my client over a wired connection.  Using wireless-b on the LAN, I get around 1200 kbps.  Why the difference? 

  I find that at 700+, the video quality is just excellent.  30 fps, nice color, audio, etc.  In the house, we use PC's as TV replacements. Optimization can take some time, but I don't notice the times that you report.  Usually, it takes about 1-2 minutes to full optimization, but I find that I am streaming at good speeds up to that point and then beyond.

Yes, over a wired connection, it does optimize at around the 1.5 minute mark.  However, when I was accessing the stream from a Tmobile hotspt, it took quite a bit longer.  I will have to try it again. 

  There is no SWITCH that goes on after optimziation is completed.  It just locks in.  you are correct though, when you change something, channel, pause, etc.  The optimization can start again.  This of course makes total sense.  It usually only takes about 10 seconds though to lock on again.

I wonder why an optimization has to take place everytime a channel changes? 


  Questions: I'm not sure what this box here is exactly, but the original slingbox, as you know, had a coax/cable in/tuner, an s-video and the mini plug composite dongle.  Less than this might mean fewer overall inputs?

According to the box, Slingmedia will be releasing three flavors: tuner, A/V, and Pro.  Feature-set wise, it seems that the A/V model seems to be in the middle on the number of features.  But my question is, essentially, do you think I should get the regular silver Sling tuner?  Am I missing out on something important? 

  couldn't say for sure about image quality, but I am sure comparissons will come at some point.

Yea....the box says a 400% improvement over the older Slingbox units, but we all know that is just market-speak.  I'd like to see a head-to-head challenge.

 The original slingbox certainly had a FW updater and SW updater and sling continues to upgrade and improve their video codes, and such so I would IMAGINE that this would continue with any new box they were to release.  It just makes sense. yeah, the seriel connections were nice on older cable/sat boxes,  I don't know why more company's don't make use of them, other than IR is ubuiquitous on every device and the code base for IR codes is contantly updated by many, so implimenting that into a product is pretty easy.  I must say though, my original slingbox has no problems changing channels very quickly and being controlled VERY quickly either on the LAN or remotely.  so, I think you gotta learn to love the IR blasters, they will remain a while for sure. Personally, I'm not holding my breath for a browser based player, not that it wouldn't be SWEET, but I don't think it is really going to be possible for this type of application.  I think there is too much going on with the HARDWARE and CLIENT that it would overload the browser.

I think it can be done.  At the very least, how about putting a simple webserver that you can log into from anywhere, where the player resides and can be downloaded automagically via an active-x or Java control.

In the meantime, I have the player installed on my USB key - works wonderfully.

  As well, the codecs now appear to be proprietary, and I don't know how that would fly if it was over an HTTP stream? That is one nice looking slingbox though, BLACK is well, the new black! 

Yea, it looks OK.  It is significantly smaller than the original silver Slingboxes as well.

 

 

September 25, 2006 2:36 PM

NYR2k said: The box claims Mac support.  Did it come with the Mac Software?

As far as I can tell, no.  The CD that came in the box was useless.  You put it in, it opens up a browser, and apparently the script was incorrect as it was supposed to bring you to http://www.slingmedia.com/uk/support/downloads.php, but this url just displays in the browser.  So I just ended up installing the Windows and PPC clients off their website.

September 25, 2006 2:39 PM

tivoboy said: Oh, and as for the SPM, I would download whatever latest version there is available there.  Beta or no beta.  Also, I think you maybe still qualify for the FREE SPM software if you register in the next day or so, so that would be a nice 30$ savings over any cost/benefit decision. Can't hurt.   

 

I think I just missed the offer by a couple of days.  Ill see if I can sneak in, but I doubt it.

September 25, 2006 3:19 PM

I would call them about the SPM, I THINK it was running through 9/30 or 9/26 regardless of what the web page currently says, but I am not 100% certain.

September 25, 2006 4:24 PM

Also, I am running at 1600x1200 on the desktop. Is this resolution going to adversely affect the quality of my stream?

September 25, 2006 6:46 PM

sweet! what city/state is your Best Buy in? i want to go take pictures

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September 25, 2006 10:31 PM

gojeda said: Here are a few photos.... http://static.flickr.com/117/252578188_9c21c1afd0_o.jpg http://static.flickr.com/85/252578194_8929c63545_o.jpg http://static.flickr.com/111/252593640_481425cd2c_o.jpg So, anyone have any observations of what I said in my original post?  

Anybody notice that the Pro Features HD Component Ins?

 

Best Buy seems to be in the habit of releasing things early these days.  I think the same thing happened with the new DirecTV HD DVR.

 

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