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sambeckett

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http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/81...

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/76...

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/87...

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/94...

 I will make some more screenshots this weekend.

Please tell me what you think about these images.

And please ask me any questions about my setup. 

http://www.slingtivo.com/ http://www.tivosling.com/

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NA9D Avatar
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May 23, 2007 8:59 PM

Sam,

Do not double post. It's against forum rules. Do you need me to point those out to you as well? You have another thread going on this subject.

Second as I stated in your other post, my opinion is that your component images are sharper and have more depth to them. The S-video images are slightly fuzzier. Maybe you don't see that - I do. Next, you have taken screen shots during the SlingPlayer OPTIMIZATION ROUTINE! The images are NOT as good during optimization. You need to wait until the SlingPlayer comes up to the full bandwidth to get the maximum quality. Your method is flawed. And the image with the bouncing GIF, who cares about a few pixels of overscan video? And how am I to know you properly lined up things anyhow. It's about impossible for two video frames from two different devices to be identical. That's the reason overscan was invented!

Take the HD Connect back if you want...

Slinging with a SlingCatcher, a ProHD, a Pro, a Solo, an AV, and a Slingbox Classic. 3 Replay TV units, a Roku Photobridge and a Roku M2000 Soundbridge, an AppleTV, a Vudu, and digital cable. www.na9d.net

sambeckett Avatar
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May 23, 2007 9:03 PM

dood, your a PAID poster.

let people judge the results for them selfs.

of corse I will take it back to the store. no question.

but everyone else should know these results.

if this is trully a 3rd party website, and not owned by Slingmedia these results should be highlighted. 

http://www.slingtivo.com/ http://www.tivosling.com/

NA9D Avatar
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May 23, 2007 9:08 PM

Sam, please see the forum policies: http://www.slingcommunity.com/forumpo... You are in violation of may of them. I do not appreciate being acused of being a paid poster when I am not. I have suggested you WRITE AND ARTICLE and submit it to this site for publication. I don't mean posting a few images. I mean writing an article giving detail and thought behind why you do what you do. If you keep on acusing me of things you have no clue about, you make yourself look like an idiot which is what you are well on your way to doing.

Slinging with a SlingCatcher, a ProHD, a Pro, a Solo, an AV, and a Slingbox Classic. 3 Replay TV units, a Roku Photobridge and a Roku M2000 Soundbridge, an AppleTV, a Vudu, and digital cable. www.na9d.net

sambeckett Avatar
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May 23, 2007 9:12 PM

hey, get me kicked off the site. kill the news and data.

I won't have to waste my time with this anymore.

i have my answers now, no thanks to any of you.

HD Connect, returned. svideo only

SlingLInk turbo, returned. netgear HD powerline.

Slingbox pro, i keep. 

http://www.slingtivo.com/ http://www.tivosling.com/

NA9D Avatar
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May 23, 2007 9:14 PM

Why did you waste your money on the Pro? Did you know the AV slings S-Video at the EXACT same quality as the Pro? So take the Pro back and get the AV and save yourself some money...

Slinging with a SlingCatcher, a ProHD, a Pro, a Solo, an AV, and a Slingbox Classic. 3 Replay TV units, a Roku Photobridge and a Roku M2000 Soundbridge, an AppleTV, a Vudu, and digital cable. www.na9d.net

sambeckett Avatar
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May 23, 2007 9:27 PM

prob because of all the pictures I saw of the pro on top of the hd tivo on all the tech blogs. it all comes down to marketing.  (like your doing right now!)

 

i sold the classic on amazon for $100, got this one for $200 on amazon

so i wasted $100 pretty much.  but it does look more stylish

and it will have greater resale value in 6 months, i tend to buy and sell everything a down the road. (where the classic might be wortless)

i'm also hoping it will get some kind of firmware update, and maybe even have more features once the media portal comes out. who knows....

stop going off subject.  the subject of this thread was how you dont need the HD Connect cable if you have an HD tivo :) 

http://www.slingtivo.com/ http://www.tivosling.com/

ChrisFix Avatar
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May 23, 2007 9:35 PM

sambeckett said:

dood, your a PAID poster.

let people judge the results for them selfs.

of corse I will take it back to the store. no question.

but everyone else should know these results.

if this is trully a 3rd party website, and not owned by Slingmedia these results should be highlighted. 

 

Sam,

What is up with you and your conspiracy theories with this web site?  Lighten up and get some perspective. 

NA9D is a paid poster?  Wow, what a great job! 

All your posts are filled with  negative and acusatory statements...

If you hate the Slingbox and hate "to waste my time with this anymore" then just stop posting here. 

Very simple really.

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May 23, 2007 10:41 PM

Sam is a Idiot.  Why doesn't he just go with a different Brand if he has a problem with Sling?

There are Comparing pictures already posted, and HD Connect is better because HD is Better.  You can't get HD though S-Video or Composite, it HAS to be a Component, HDMI, or even VGA.     I hope your not watching HD programming on your HDTV using a S-Video Connection because it's NOT HD!   Your also only going to get a Minor difference if your just watching SD programming and not HD programming.  Again though if your connected using S-Video then your watching in SD anyway.

 Your just making yourself sound DUMB.  Take the HD Connect back,  take it all back.   There's others out there.   Oh, and I am NOT a Paid Forum person, I have nothing to do with Sling other then owning both the Pro and HD Connect.  I can EASILY tell the difference by a mile watching my Older TIVO connected using S-Video, and my HD DVR Dual Tuner Cable Box watching a HD program using the HD connect adapter.  It's like night and day.   I can tell though my little Pocket PC screen using Sling Mobile.

 

Matt Whitlock Avatar
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May 23, 2007 11:07 PM

Sam,

I've already warned you in another thread about breaking the trolling rule, and now you've also broken the cross posting rule.

The conspiracy theories and accusations have to stop. Conduct yourself like a rational, civilized adult, or refrain from posting. If you believe someone is a paid poster, please report the offender to me or a site moderator using the private message system or feedback tool and I will investigate the matter.

This will be the last and final warning you receive. 

Mind Over Matt'er - Technology musings, opinion, and more straight from TechLore's head geek.

sambeckett Avatar
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May 23, 2007 11:15 PM

JBdragon, but your just wrong.

why can't you understand downsampling of the TIVO is better then the downsampling of the slingbox.

why would a 3rd party product do a better job then the output of the first party?


and yes, these people are making money from us. people do read these forums.

we are going to go back and forth all night, im right, your right, im right.

everyone should just look at the pictures. it is clear I am right.

with the tivo, you dont need the cable.

 

and your comparing old tivo to an HD tivo, why not compare HD tivo svideo with HD tivo component. ofcorse there is a differancebetween non-hd tivo and hd tivo, i never said there wasnt a differance.

you guys goal, is to post things with enough garbage to hide what I trying to prove. i comparing some very spacific. dont start talking about other setups, i dont care about them

 

I am saying on a HD Tivo, the svideo out put to a slingbox pro is better then component output due to the fact Tivo downsamples the stuff first (and better) then the slingbox. either way the output res is the same.

why is that so hard to understand and debate?

 

wait I know why, because a large percentage of slingbox owners have Tivo. and if they all knew it wasnt needed then sales of the extra cable would plumet.

http://www.slingtivo.com/ http://www.tivosling.com/

sambeckett Avatar
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May 23, 2007 11:17 PM

wow, I am not trolling.  i responding in kind to remarks made to me. if people would stop going off topic in my theads I wouldnt have to reply with silly messages.

http://www.slingtivo.com/ http://www.tivosling.com/

ryandh Avatar
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May 23, 2007 11:32 PM

Let's run a couple polls:

Which of Sam's pictures looks better?

If you sling a HD device, what is it, Tivo, cable box, satellite receiver, or other?

 

I think the HDConnect pictures look better.

I sling 2 HD cable boxes.  I think my box connected to the HDConnect on my Pro looks better.

Slinging Tivo Series 2, Tivo HD, and TW cable from a Pro. Slinging Tivo HD from a Solo, Slinging Humax DRT800, and TW cable from a Classic to Sprint Mogul, AT&T SX66, N62, 8525, and Dell Inspiron 8600 with Sprint EVDO over Windstream DSL.

Matt Whitlock Avatar
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May 23, 2007 11:56 PM

sambeckett said:

I am saying on a HD Tivo, the svideo out put to a slingbox pro is better then component output due to the fact Tivo downsamples the stuff first (and better) then the slingbox. either way the output res is the same.


 

Sam,

I'll step up for you here and add that there could be merit to your claim. Though I am not sure if you're using a Series 3 or a DirecTiVo HD model,

I don't have an HD TiVo model around here to test. When it downconverts HD programs, does it still send out the downconverted image anamorphically from the S-video jack? Meaning, if you connected your HD TiVo to an analog TV with an S-video cable, does the picture appear squeezed? Or, does it reformat the HD image for a square TV by adding black/gray bars at the top and bottom of the screen?

Your images show gray space at the top and bottom of the screen for both the component and S-video outputs, so I'm curious how your TiVo is configured or how you tested it to get those gray bars in both tests.  If you configured your HD TiVo to connect to a 4:3 TV, the image quality difference between S-video and component will be negligible.

If the HD TiVo will also send scaled HD images out the S jack anamorphically, the image quality difference between both will also be slight, and it's certainly possible the HD TiVo would scale the HD image better. From a pure video quality point of view, this would have to be the case.

If the HD TiVo will not output anamorphic video out the S jack (like most HD cable boxes, including mine), there will be a significant increase in vertical resolution from the component connection. HD Connect would yield a better quality image in this case.

Let's also not forget that there are other benefits to the HD Connect. The included 4-way IR blaster, the additional input gained on your Slingbox PRO, and a workaround for quirky boxes that won't output video from the analog outputs if configured for HD (not sure if this is a problem for the Series 3, but it did affect the DirecTiVo HD model if I remember correctly) are all additional benefits that go beyond raw image quality. 

Mind Over Matt'er - Technology musings, opinion, and more straight from TechLore's head geek.

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May 24, 2007 2:30 AM

I don't get it.  If SAM has a problem with the HD connect cable, Return it.  Personally, I think he's not even watching a HD picture on his own HDTV. 

If he thinks SLING is LYING to everyone, why is he supporting this business buy buying and using the product.  He should go and use something else.

Also not everyone has a HD Series 3 TIVO for whatever difference that makes.  

sambeckett Avatar
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May 24, 2007 7:31 AM

JBdragon. your off topic again with unrelated data.

you continue to try to discredit what I am saying.

 

that truth to largest pruchaser of this cable are those with HD Tivo Serries 3 devices. not DirectTivo Hd.

And these are the only people I am talking about.  it is the only unit I'm compared images for. this website is hostile to my results, it is obvoious.

 

 

 

http://www.slingtivo.com/ http://www.tivosling.com/

ryandh Avatar
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May 24, 2007 7:40 AM

The S3 hasn't been out long enough to have the largest market share on the HDConnect. I would bet most of the cables are being used with cable boxes..

you also haven't said anywhere in this thread that you have a S3...

Slinging Tivo Series 2, Tivo HD, and TW cable from a Pro. Slinging Tivo HD from a Solo, Slinging Humax DRT800, and TW cable from a Classic to Sprint Mogul, AT&T SX66, N62, 8525, and Dell Inspiron 8600 with Sprint EVDO over Windstream DSL.

sambeckett Avatar
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May 24, 2007 7:46 AM

off topic again. and I disagree with your points. with facts to back me up

if you look at the pictures you can see it is an S3.

I thought the only HD Tivo was the s3. sorry if I was wrong.

 Sling HD

Date first available at Amazon.com: October 5, 2006

HD Tivo S3

Date first available at Amazon.com: September 13, 2006

 

then number one buyer of the cable, are those with S3.  you pretty funny to think anyway.  good marketing tho, you sold it to a tun of people that trust what a company says.

 

http://www.slingtivo.com/ http://www.tivosling.com/

ryandh Avatar
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May 24, 2007 7:54 AM

I don't have a S3 so I can't tell from your pictures that it is. 

HD cable boxes have been out for years, think of all the people that had them waiting for the HDConnect to come out..  The fact is, noone knows who buys the most so you can't claim that..

 

Slinging Tivo Series 2, Tivo HD, and TW cable from a Pro. Slinging Tivo HD from a Solo, Slinging Humax DRT800, and TW cable from a Classic to Sprint Mogul, AT&T SX66, N62, 8525, and Dell Inspiron 8600 with Sprint EVDO over Windstream DSL.

NA9D Avatar
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May 24, 2007 8:13 AM

I am still waiting for Sam to provide proof that most Slingbox Pro owners are Tivo Series 3 owners. He makes a claim but has nothing to back it up.

I've stated this before, but it's worth stating again: I think Sam's component images are BETTER than the S-Video ones. Additionally, he shot these screen shots while the player was still optimizing. This means that the player had not reached maximum bitrate for the video stream and therefore the image quality would not be as good anyhow. No one is trying to lie or hide anything from anyone. It's just that with all the HD Connect users out there, Sam is the first who has said it gives a worse image quality. Generally when there are hundreds or thousands of one opinion and one of another, I'd tend to think the larger group is correct. But then again, I'm just probably a paid hack for SlingMedia... :)

Slinging with a SlingCatcher, a ProHD, a Pro, a Solo, an AV, and a Slingbox Classic. 3 Replay TV units, a Roku Photobridge and a Roku M2000 Soundbridge, an AppleTV, a Vudu, and digital cable. www.na9d.net

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May 24, 2007 8:56 AM

Good Morning Gentlemen,

This is a fully charged thread today.  The points that you're trying to make Sam are valid.  There are circumstances where s-video output from an HD source can appear to be equivalent to an HD component source.  HD component delivers 480i through 1080p and everything in between.  It appears that in the samples you provided, you were looking at a 4x3 format video feed downsampled from an HD source.  In a case like this there would be virtually no difference in s vs component video.  Some clarity in fine detail would be lost by s-video which you can see by looking at the text in the two samples.

The vast majority of HD Connects sold go into cable households where they have HD digital cable boxes.  There are VERY FEW Tivo Series 3 boxes in the field.  I have a 300 hr S3 box and I love it, except for the 3 weeks it took Comcast to connect it and the loss of VOD on the box (I still have to pay Comcast for a set top box so I can use VOD).  The othe place a lot of HD connects are used is in Hollywood on production shoots.  The Pro and HD connect are used to transmit "dailies" to the executive production staff around the country.

At the end of the day Sam, there is a lot of great information on this forum, and your comments are welcome.  We set this Community up as a partnership with Capable Networks to ensure that there was free dialog and no "big brother".  But simple rules keep things simple, so I would ask that you follow the guidelines that have been established for this Community. 

Thank you for shaing your opinions because listening to the opinions of Slingbox owners and users is how we make the Slingbox experience better and better over time.

Best regards,

Rich Buchanan
VP Marketing
Sling Media

PS - I AM a paid poster ;>

Rich Buchanan
Marketing Dude

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